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PvE in Camelot Unchained
PvE in Camelot Unchained

PvE (Player versus Environment) in Camelot Unchained has some very unusual aspects for an MMORPG. Because the game features a horizontal leveling system that is RvR-focused, some think that there will be "no PvE", but in reality there are plans for a lot of PvE content, albeit with unusual aspects such as absolutely no PvE progression.[1]

What Is and What Is Not in the Game [1],[2],[3],[4],[5][ | ]

Camelot Unchained will have all kinds of NPCs (non-player characters) to kill, summon/capture or talk to - guards, animals, NPC helpers, spirits, pets...there will be dungeons and big monsters guarding important places or being killed for meat, scale or fur, just it will all revolve around RvR.

This is what will NOT be in Camelot Unchained:

  • There will be no leveling by killing NPCs; Instead, players will improve their stats and skills through RvR, Crafting, Building etc.
  • There will be no classical PvE raids, no endgame bosses waiting for you on the bottom of an instanced dungeon, with your epic sword in their pocket; Instead, areas with very valuable/rich resources might be guarded by big and tough monsters, but these will have no loot drops except for eventual scavenging/skinning.

Something, in The Depths...

In this game, to make an "epic" sword you will, besides rare and/or expensive materials, have to find a highly skilled crafter - these will have their own class and leveling system, and you will likely be expected to pay for their services.

Best anvils and materials will be either in the enemy territory or in The Depths - which will often be the same - and besides waiting for it`s gates to open to your Realm, escorting crafters and fighting might be necessary. Swords, same as other items, will decay over time thus occasional repairs will have to be paid for.

Aspects of PvE in Camelot Unchained[ | ]

  • The Depths (and possibly some other dungeons!? [6]) - the travelling and shapeshifting, alive RvR dungeon full of PvE encounters (monsters, guards, and traps), treasures and resources, other players (including enemies) and other players playing as monsters. The Depths will be very much connected with the state of the war "outside" - it will likely be opening it`s gates to the dominating Realm, tempting them to leave the battlefield and thus balancing the war.
  • The Veil - besides producing storms (and possibly being connected with Dragons), it opposes stealthers who are using it to sneak unseen. The Veil is feeding on their health, the longer they stay - the more they lose. The initial plans to fill the Veil with aggressive spirits and similar NPCs are currently on hold.
  • Crafting – connected to trading and general economy, it can be an entirely RvR-free experience, as the crafter class does not have to venture forth out into RvR combat in order to level their character if they so choose. However, there will be creatures to kill for materials, and resources to gather from the land.
  • Building – players can build their own structures in the Camelot Unchained Building Environment (C.U.B.E.) as well as within the main game world. This includes the choice of whether to build on the safe territory (the starting area) or elsewhere, on the battlefield where structures matter much more, but can be destroyed (and pillaged for resources) by enemies. Builders will also be able to spec into an 100% building dedicated class.
  • Mining, gathering (for example, logging) and so on – mining is going to be a team effort, including claiming mines, digging tunnels deep beneath the surface, long-lasting exploitation of veins and seeking for new ones, refining and transport of ore.

No PvE Leveling[1][ | ]

  1. A different kind of Progression System is necessary
  2. The game does not use the typical vertical leveling system, which CSE claims ends up being a race to the top by the best players.
  3. The horizontal system in Camelot Unchained is expected to be much slower than in most MMORPGs - as Mark Jacobs said: "If you are looking for a game with a slower level progression than most of today's Western MMORPGs, you have come to the right place, that's for sure." [7]
  4. The results of actions are not always as important as taking the actions themselves. So, even though a player is killed by a higher level player, that doesn't mean that the player's skills don’t improve from the fight that happened.
  5. The Progression System uses more than individual accomplishments but also looks at the actions of an entire Realm, and players are awarded for all the efforts once a day by their King, via Daily Report. This report includes not only PvP but also mining, building, crafting, gathering, fact any activity that can be considered usefull in the Realm`s war effort.

The Watcher

PvE Questions & Answers and Quotes[ | ]

Q: Will there be other dungeons besides The Depths?

Mark Jacobs: Oh, I hope so. I love The Depths, I love the concept, I love Darkness Falls (the RvR dungeon in Dark Age of Camelot) and what we are doing here is even better.[6]

Aylwynn asked: Will Camelot Unchained feature hooded cloaks?

Renée Machyousky: Yes. You are going to sleep like a babe now, aren’t you Aylwynn?! [8]

Mark Jacobs: Crafting is going to be very time consumptive if you want to be great at it. I'm not too worried about crafter bots.[9]

Q: Can crafters differentiate their armor/weapons from other crafters either through design or branding?

Mark Jacobs: Absolutely. Crafter's marks are confirmed for the game and we are working on a system to add more than just stats to different items.[10]

Q: Will there be no PvE in the game at all? No NPCs, really? 

Mark Jacobs: There will be NPCs of course (as I’ve stated before) since towns need citizens, structures need guards, crafters need leather, etc. The world won’t be empty but NPCs will not be dropping tokens, items, etc. However, you will be able to scavenge/skin/etc. materials from them of course but again, not items, tokens, etc.  

There is also a difference between PvE-NPCs (cows) and RvR-NPCs (guards, human or otherwise) but no item or token drops. I also promise that there will not be PvE expansions with new tiers of gear drops that become required to complete. This game is a RvR-focused MMORPG and will remain such.[4] 

Q: The "RvR only, no PvE leveling or loot" thing. I'll have to wait and see, but so far my imagination can't come up with an enjoyable game set up like that. PvE content has a valuable role even in PvP focused games. Will there not be any creatures or monsters or anything in the world or what purpose would their existence have if they don't drop look or have any quests associated with them? And without PvE will there be enough story focus?


Veilstorm turned into pure Malevolence

Mark Jacobs: We will, of course, have to have some NPCs in the world otherwise it would feel empty, lifeless and barren and we can't have that. However, having NPCs and having NPCs that drop loot, exp...are entirely different things. [3]

Mark Jacobs: Another thing to keep in mind is that this is going to be a big world. The smart Realms will go out and build forts, towers, keeps, etc. And the purpose of those will be to help keep the settlers and their homes safe. Again, think big spaces, very limited insta-travel, etc.[11]

Mark Jacobs: Mines are going to be one of the primary sources of materials for builders. They come in all shapes and sizes and they are filled with various raw materials. Players can enter these mines and gather the materials; they can also dig shafts looking for new veins. Unlike mines/nodes found in most MMORPGs, these mines are not meant to be mined out quickly by one or even a few players. Additionally, to help encourage realm pride, we will design these mines to be mined cooperatively by players. Think of the gold mining scene in the film “The Hobbit – An Unexpected Journey” for reference. [12]

Q: Will housing consist of a plot system, claiming a square of land that you can build on, or more of a free form, where you could actually build your own house around someone else’s building?

Renée Machyousky: In open areas (which will be most of the world) it will more or less be choose your own adventure, with obvious limitations for steep terrain, structures already in place, etc. In the safe zone there will be plots that you can claim/purchase and once you do so, others will not be able to build there while you own it.[13]

Mark Jacobs (answering/commenting in the Kickstarter chat): Glad to welcome you back from the PvE-side. You are not alone, I suspect a lot of people migrated the same way because frankly, player PvE games are easier, simpler and more rewarding in the short-term because of the whole "Ding Gratz" bit. I know that if we can create a great RvR-focused experience that many players such as yourself will return to their PvP roots.[14]


Veilstorm is coming

Q: So no PvE leveling, but will there be big monsters in the world that you need your Realm mates to help bring down, for rare crafting materials? (not tierred raiding, more open world raiding like DAoC had) will you be able to skin those monsters and put them in your house as trophies? (insanely fun part of DAoC)

We know there is a ton of crafting for downtime, but sometimes you just want to go through a dungeon with friends (even if its out in TDD territory and there's a danger of being hit from behind, or other groups already being in there!)

Mark Jacobs: Our plan is right now that in The Depths, the big NPCs will be guarding access to certain areas that will yield lots of good stuff for the side that controls it. Some of these could also yield scavenged/skinned materials but they will not have drops or anything like that. [5]

Mark Jacobs: We will look at adding a lot of randomness to the environment in terms of how not only it evolves over time naturally but also how the effects of magic that the players inject into the environment can also affect it over time as well. The landscape should change not just because of seasons (which would, IMO, be a good addition to this game) but also because the players are throwing around the equivalent of small, tactical nuclear devices like guests used to throw rice at wedding receptions.

We will try to incorporate the consequences of summoning and tossing around so much power into the game in order to throw, every so often, what amounts to a curveball (or would that be a curvefireball?) at the players.  This could manifest in all manner of ways including creating temporary “dead spaces” where magic might not work or maybe areas where magic works just a wee bit too well. It could also mean that the geography of an area could suddenly change or even that certain beings might manifest themselves within the world quite unexpectedly and with rather interesting results.[15]

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